This interview for the Columbus Jewish Historical Society is being recorded
on October 27, 2006, as part of the Columbus Jewish Historical Society’s Oral
History Project. The interview is being recorded at my home, 3150 Broadmoor
Avenue. My name is Marvin Bonowitz and I am interviewing my friend Sue Gordon
who has consented to speak about her years in Columbus, remembering that the
interview is really based on the history, being part of the history of the Jews
in Columbus. Sue grew up in Cleveland but has been lived in Columbus for what,
more than 40 years?
Gordon: It’s exactly 50 years. I came to go to college at OSU in the Fall
of 1947 and I moved permanently to Phoenix, Arizona in November of 1997 so that’s,
when you do the subtraction you come up with 50 years of living here.
Interviewer: Sue let’s start about, had you been to Columbus before you
moved from Cleveland? What was your childhood like in Cleveland, what kind of
neighborhood did you live in and grow up in? What kind of things influenced you
at that time?
Gordon: Well no I had never been to Columbus. I came to Columbus to go to
Ohio State University. At that time Ohio did not have as much of a network of
state univer- sities as it does now and going to a university like Case Western
Reserve was so much more expensive than going to a state school. Plus I wanted
to have the experience of living away from home so I worked a year before I came
to college so I could afford that and no, I had never been here before. My life
in Cleveland was very different and perhaps a bit unusual for someone my age. I
was born in 1928 so that will give you an idea of how old I am and my parents
were divorced when I was six weeks old. My mother was a Romanian Jew who had
come just before the first World War and her whole family of children were
orphaned fairly young and she learned how to sew somewhere along the way. She
really couldn’t even really tell you where that happened so she came to
Cleveland to work in the garment industry and I think she really liked being
single ’cause she would tell me about living in a women’s boarding house and
how they would all get together and go to things and she liked clothes. She
loved sewing before the garment industry became a piece-work institution when
you sewed a whole garment. That was a whole different story. And the marriage
was a semi-arranged marriage in that she was introduced to my father who was a
Russian Jew and very Orthodox. I might step back for a moment and say although
my mother was Jewish, they came from a big city in Romania and they weren’t
very observant. They certainly knew they were Jewish but there’s no way that
she was Orthodox. And he had a candy store and they got married and since she
became pregnant, now I’m telling you third-hand information, I wasn’t there
to overhear this. But what I heard was he said, oh he had to have a son to say Kaddish
for him. My mother’s older sister lived with them to help and she reportedly
said, “Oh if you had a little girl you sew so beautifully, you could make
wonderful clothes for her.” So when I was born my father said that my aunt
was a witch and had bewitched my mother and that was why she had a girl child
and he refused to come to the hospital to see the baby and my mother immediately
divorced him. So by the time I was six weeks old, they were divorced and neither
of them ever remarried. So that’s why I tell you I had a bit of an unusual
childhood because in those days there were not very many divorced Jewish
families that I knew of, you know, and my mother would do work in the garment
industry and was proud of the fact that she could support herself, me and my
aunt all those years. And it was difficult ’cause the garment industry was a
seasonal industry at a time when unemployment insurance didn’t exist and
health insurance didn’t exist so it was a challenge along the way and it was
very formative for me as a person because my mother always brought home the
union newspapers and I was aware of these lean seasons and what it meant in
someone’s life and how much the union meant to garment workers. So that
really, even as a child, was important. Also I was good in math by the way and
in my mother’s work, when you sewed you sewed a bag of something and each one
came with a label and at the end of the week you had to paste that up and submit
it to compute how much pay you were expected to get. So you had to know ahead of
time so you would know whether the pay check was correct and at eight, I really
was the one that was doing that. Although my mother was literate and passed the
citizenship tests, I really was the one that was doing that so that was kind of
a nice, self-respecting thing. And I might add that my mother although orphaned
young was a wonderful, loving parent and she really treated me like I was a
combination princess and Shirley Temple and was the greatest treasure of her
life. So I’ve always been a relatively self-confident person who regards every
situation as there’s no strangers. I’m comfortable talking to anyone and
being with anyone and I attribute that largely to how my mother treated me as a
Interviewer: So what was your mother’s name?
Gordon: Anna Katz. Her maiden name was Schwartz.
Interviewer: And how did she spell Schwartz?
Interviewer: Okay. How about your dad’s name?
Gordon: Katz, Morris.
Interviewer: Morris. Okay. Do you have a Hebrew name?
Gordon: Serela. But I don’t know how to spell it.
Gordon: I’m not really sure how to spell it.
Interviewer: Okay. Then did you have any Hebrew School or Jewish school?
Gordon: No I had really no formal Jewish education at all and I don’t think
it was because my mother didn’t want it, she couldn’t afford it and she was
so proud as a person of how hard she worked that she was unwilling to go
somewhere and plead her case. Plus the neighborhoods in Cleveland were enormous
Jewish ghettos. I can even remember that during the Second World War it was hard
to believe about Hitler because almost everybody I knew was Jewish. ‘Cause all
the stores in the neighborhood were Jewish. Ninety or more percent of the
students at the high school that I went to was Jewish. So it was easy to have a
Jewish identity without the necessity of any formal training. So that’s who I
Interviewer: Did you have an opportunity to affiliate with any other
Jewish-oriented groups socially or religiously or . . . .
Gordon: No because everything was membership-oriented. There was a very large
Jewish Center in my neighborhood but all these things cost money that were hard
to find in our environment, so no. Actually when I came to Ohio State and joined
Hillel, it was really the first Jewish organization that I actually ever
Interviewer: Had your mother taken you out of the city for any occasions to
visit or . . . .
Gordon: Only during, when I was about five or six, the National Recovery Act
moved a lot of factories to smaller towns to spread economy growth because the
nation was in so much trouble. So her factory moved to Alliance, Ohio, and we
lived there for three or four years and I was in elementary school there and
there were very few Jewish families there. But we used to take the street car to
Canton and Salem on Saturdays to go shop for things that were not available in
Alliance, Ohio. But again there was never any formal Jewish thing that we
belonged to. And my mother’s friends, I don’t know that she really had time
for any as such, but some people from the factory, they were Jewish, so it was a
Jewish environment without anything formal.
Interviewer: Were there any social activities in your high school related to,
well anything that you did. . . .
Gordon: Yes but it was only indirectly related to Jews. The high school I
went to in Cleve- land was named Glenville and it was probably the largest high
school in a Jewish neighborhood and reputed to be the school where the most
intelligent, highest- scoring kids went to. But we also had some teachers who
later became part of the State Legislature and fought for fair-housing rights.
So there was this civic under- tone. Many of the children who went to that
school had parents like my mom. We all knew about unions. We were all pro
Franklin Roosevelt. We sat with our parents listening to Franklin Roosevelt
saying, “There’s nothing to fear but fear itself.” So there was that
environment but it was informal. It was not formal at all.
Interviewer: Did you or what was your first opportunity to leave Cleveland or
to come to Columbus, shall I say?
Gordon: First opportunity. Well, you know, in terms, ironically I was the
Valedictorian of my high school class and I didn’t tell you that also present
in my life growing up in Cleveland there was a privately-funded higher IQ
program in Cleveland called The Major Work Group. It was experimental and it is
still written about sometimes. And what happened was the children were selected
based on their I.Q. tests and offered an opportunity to go to other elementary
school and then junior high school placement. And so you had extra projects. We
had French in elementary school and you were conscious of the fact that there
was something a little special about you if you went to this, which I think
added to my princess syndrome that my mother, you know, set in the environment.
Now it didn’t take you anywhere but it took you somewhere mentally as to who
you were and what your opportunities were. And every few years they’d come
around and interview you about where you were going and when it came to college,
I graduated in 1946, all these G.I.s were coming home. It wasn’t today’s
world where there were counselors in the school to say, “Ha, you could get
a scholarship to,” fill in the blank for what it would be, and also you
worked because the world was full of where all these G.I.s going to college, not
where a smart little girl’s going to college. So just discovering and
investigating on my own, Ohio State became a choice because I knew, there was a
college in Kent which was a smaller town near Cleveland, there was OU which is
in Athens. But I kind of knew I wanted to be in a city rather than in a smaller
town so that’s why Ohio State became the choice.
Interviewer: Living in Columbus you were participating in, you were aware of
social needs in the community of various kinds and you affiliated and worked in
social agencies. When were you conscious of the needs of other people that may
be less fortunate or in need of social services when you were growing up?
Gordon: I think, as I said, just growing up in a household where somebody was
a union member bringing home the union newspaper, observing what our life was
like, just, and the national social environment. And anybody that grew up during
Franklin Roosevelt time just knew that here was a country that had Depression
and there were so many poor people and you had to do something to change that.
Interviewer: How did the City of Columbus, what influences or what was your
observation about the social situation at the University or in the greater
Columbus community and maybe the Jewish community?
Gordon: Well one of the things that happened while I was going to Ohio State
was, at that time girls were required to live in the dorms. And as I got to be a
junior and a senior, I didn’t want to do that. I met someone who lived in a
private boarding house and I discovered that I had to get the Dean of Women’s
certification to move out of the dorm and into a private boarding house. Even
though there was a room at the house that this other person I knew lived, I
couldn’t get permission from this woman, her name was Gordon coincidentally.
My name was still Katz at that time. But she said to me, and remember we’re
talking about 1950-1951 after the Second World War and the Nazis and Jews in
Germany, she said to me, “Well Jews can’t live in any rooming house. You
have to get permission to live in a rooming house. You should be happy there are
some places where Jews can live.” It was shocking to me to hear that coming
from a university official at a major university just shortly after the Second
World War. So that was a real learning experience for me. Of course I had to
live with it. There was nothing I could do about it. I did bring it to the
attention of the rabbi at Hillel and he knew and his sort of attitude was,
“Let’s keep the peace,” you know, we know about these things. But it
certainly did raise my consciousness level about what the situation really was
in our world. I also had another experience that came later, many years later. I
went back to graduate school again to get a Master’s in Public Administration
and I had a professor that was a graduate student, as many people do, and he
used the term in one of the courses that was about government contracts, and he
used the term “Jew them down”. And I went to see him after class to
complain about that and he said, “Oh that’s just a common term that
everyone uses. That doesn’t mean anything. I’m not prejudiced against
Jews.” So little by little I got some different kind of flavor about what
the situation was about Jews and that raised my consciousness of wanting to do
more work with Jews.
Interviewer: Did you move into the Bermans?
Gordon: I did.
Interviewer: That was a . . . .
Gordon: That was a delightful experience. A wonderful woman who came from New
York who had never married who we all called “Aunt Stel” and who had a
great rooming house and we all, you were supposed to keep hours when you were a
girl when I was in school, different hours for weekdays and different hours for
weekends. But if she liked the boy you were dating, that was okay. If she didn’t
like the boy you were dating, she made the hours even more strict. And it was a
lot of fun. It was like a family instead of the anonymity of this huge campus. I
think even at the time that I was there, there were about 25,000 students at OSU
because it was post-Second World War and you had all these good graduate
schools. So it was really great. Both Hillel and Stel Berman’s provided this
more intimate environment from the anonymity of the big school and the
bureaucracy of it.
Interviewer: Did any of the other ladies that were living in her boarding
house have any kind of a, do you know about their record or their careers? It
seems to be an unusual collection of Jewish young ladies.
Gordon: Some of them yes, there are about four or five of them that I am
somewhat in touch with. One of them is named Paula Bernstein and she lives in
California. She has a nephew in town who’s the same age as one of my younger
children. That child’s parents are both deceased, Aaron and Esther Supowitz,
but Esther was a Bernstein and she lived there. And I have a friend named
Natalie Goodman who lived there. And she lives in Lexington, Mass. She has a
Ph.D. in Psychology and she’s 78, as I am, and she’s still working as a
counselor in the schools. And she’s a childhood friend of mine. I’ve known
her since third grade. And she lived at Berman’s when I did. And others I hear
of from other people. I can’t remember Shirley’s maiden name. She just
showed me her picture the other day. She married a chemist and they moved to
Gainesville, Florida, where he taught for a long time. I think she came from a
smaller town in Ohio, maybe Fostoria or somewhere like that. And I hear of her
through someone else I know. So yes, it was a very unusual place and all due to
Aunt Stel ’cause she just had the, and interestingly, when I graduated my
senior year, Aunt Stel renewed acquaintance with a man who she’d known, I don’t
know, I suppose in high school and by that time he was a widower and she married
very late in life ’cause she had to be in her late 50s or early 60s. And she
gave up her boarding house. So that was nice ’cause we all loved her and
wanted her to have a good life.
Interviewer: When did Ben Gordon come into your life?
Gordon: At Hillel, probably, let’s see, maybe 1948-’49, just wandering
into Hillel to play cards and Monopoly. In fact the first thing that we ever
bought together when we decided we were going to go together, was a Monopoly
set. And we kept control of that Monopoly so one of us had to be there when
someone wanted to play Monopoly at Hillel. So you had to sign up for . . . . and
then we played Bridge and did a lot of other things together. And as most people
did at that time, I think a lot of people made their lifetime relationships at
college. That’s where they met the person that was going to be their mate. So
that worked for me.
Interviewer: But not many of them married at Hillel?
Gordon: That’s right. That probably is true, you know, so that was . . . .
Interviewer: You needed a special wedding.
Gordon: Yes and we were very lucky and it was a lot of fun.
Interviewer: Have any recollections of Rabbi Kaplan?
Gordon: Yeah. He was a really terrific guy and after his first wife died, he
married another wonderful woman who was the widow of, there was an incident in
the Second World War where a rabbi, a minister and priest went down with the
ship and I think it was because there weren’t enough life boats or life
jackets for everybody and they chose to let as many of the servicemen get saved
and they went down with the ship. So he married the widow of the rabbi and she
came to Columbus and she was another really lovely woman. And also we were very
lucky because Rabbi Kaplan and his wife had children that were kind of in our
age groups so we, you know, met their children. They were always around Hillel
when we were. Now I don’t keep in touch with her but Marvin who is doing this
interview tells me that he’s been in touch for all this period of time with a
woman named Sarah Dalkowitz who was the Assistant Director for a lot of the time
we were there at Hillel. So you know that there was a lot of depth of
relationship that was established there.
Interviewer: It was Rabbi Harry Kaplan and Sarah was Director of Hillel and a
friend of mine was Seymour Kaplan who came to Columbus from living in
Massachusetts and he came here to head the Anti-Defamation League office here
and I encouraged that wedding. I was proud to be asked to be the best man.
Another one of the ushers was City Councilman Russ Jones and his wife was Marie
Jones. I think we all knew one another at that time. Let’s talk more about Ben
and your early years of married life.
Gordon: Well I, most of, we lived in Columbus of course and he worked at
Battelle and Battelle was unusual in many ways because it was a not-for-profit
private research organization that had been founded by the will of a family
named Battelle who had been in mining and that’s what it started out as. But
by the time Ben worked there, it was a multi-research privately funded and
about, Ben said, about half of their research was government-funded and half was
private so it was always very interesting to work there and a broad assortment
of people. There really weren’t too many Jewish men that worked there. I don’t
know, I used to hear that Accounting was considered Jewish engineering for men
that, it wasn’t thought that many Jews would get jobs in that field. But maybe
they didn’t go into it. Maybe there were jobs, more jobs, because over the
years there were more Jews that worked at Battelle. There were always
interesting people coming into our lives from that and then after I went to work
at Jewish Family Service, many people that were part of Jewish agencies became
our friends: Mayer and Dottie Rosenfeld. Mayer was Director of the Jewish Center
for I don’t know how many years but a long time. And Harold Eisenstein who
came to direct Gallery Players, who had been a director in New York, and they
became our life-long friends. So that gave me more entrees into the
Jewish community. And then of course working for Jewish Family Service, that,
doing studies for admission for people to Heritage House. And I can remember the
first time that I had to present one at a board meeting I was very nervous about
the presentation ’cause I was told it had to be secretive, it had to be
anonymous. So when you wrote up the presentation you would say, “I’m
presenting the case of Mrs. X”. I was really afraid I was going to say the
person’s name. And then you would present the situation. And this family had
owned what I labeled as a saloon and presented that. And everybody, all the
board members laughed and said, “I haven’t heard the word ‘saloon’ in
15 years.” And of course they knew also immediately who it was because
Columbus was a small enough town that everybody knew everything. So my discovery
at these presentations is if I got my information a little off, some board
member would correct it immediately because all this idea that it was anonymous
was a fiction. They knew instantly. So that was kind of interesting because
certainly in Cleveland, as I started to say, in Cleveland it would be hard to
believe that you could have a Jewish community institution where the board
members knew so intimately the lives of the generation preceding them that no
matter how hard you tried to keep it anonymous, they would know anyway. So that
was a difference of experience that’s kind of given me a perspective on how if
my husband and I, since we were both Clevelanders, had returned there, our lives
would have been very different even if we’d had the same professional careers
than it was in Columbus.
Interviewer: Then you were working for Jewish Family Service and any other
institutions with Jewish communal or service . . . .?
Gordon: No, no, after I left Jewish Family Service, I went to work for
Community Health and Nursing and I was, first I worked as a social worker in
clinics operated by the health department in public housing high rises and then
for about eight years I ran their Homemaker Home Health Aide program. We
occasionally had Jewish clients but much of my focus and understanding came from
having worked with Jewish Family Service preceding that and of course through
the background of the kind of home I grew up in and what Jewish people believe
in in terms of helping the community, helping people to live independently. So
that just was, even though it wasn’t concentrated on Jewish, it still was part
of my belief in what Jewish people should be doing.
Interviewer: Were you tied in with Ben Mandelkorn’s network in any way or?
Gordon: When I worked for Jewish Family Service I was because we shared our
offices and we were always intimately involved and once a month during that
period there would be meetings between the executive directors and some of the
staff of all the organizations. And that was a good thing ’cause it kept
everybody informed about what each of the organizations were doing and it also
kept you plugged into what were some of the resources in the community because
as you saw people that had special needs who would come into, or new people that
came to town, they would not necessarily know about some of the other resources
in the community and you could help them in that way by telling them about what
was available to them. So and, but other than that, I did not know him
Interviewe: Did you have a certain geographical-attachment area?
Gordon: For which? For Jewish Family Service?
Interviewer: Yes for social work of some kind?
Gordon: No, no, other than, and another interesting thing that I certainly
would never have thought of anywhere else, was occasionally we had clients that
were young women who became pregnant, usually by a Jewish boy where there was
not going to be a marriage and they would come to us, this was before the days
of so many abortions and said, “I want to have this baby and I want it to
be raised by a Jewish family ’cause Jewish families are good to their
children.” Well in those days we traded babies with other small-sized
communities such as Akron or Indianapolis because since everybody knew everybody
here, it was impossible to keep a secret here so we would be taking a baby that
was born here to Akron and the Jewish Family Service there would be having an
Akron couple adopt the baby and we might be receiving a baby from Indianapolis
or some other community, which I thought was very interesting.
Interviewer: Did local institutions, did local services tie in with
Bellefaire at all?
Gordon: No ’cause Bellefaire had really changed by then. ‘Cause when I
was growing up in Cleveland, Bellefaire was truly a place where children lived
and grew up and in fact, Marvin, you may remember a young man named Norman
Shapiro who we both knew in college and he grew up at Bellefaire. He was at
Hillel when we were there. But sometimes, and there was another Jewish orphan
home that was almost across the street from the high school I went to in
Cleveland, but some of the children that were there weren’t really orphans.
They very often had a father who had to work and no one to take care of the
children. And those children would come and live at the orphan home and the
father would come home on the weekend and take care of them. Well that is really
no longer the case. Bellefaire is the place for children with special needs and
special educational needs. The idea of orphan homes just disappeared.
Interviewer: Uh huh. So you now live in Scottsdale or Phoenix?
Gordon: I live in Scottsdale.
Interviewer: Let’s talk about Brian.
Interviewer: Steve, I’m sorry.
Gordon: Yeah. Okay. When I first, my son Brian is the piccolo player with the
Phoenix Symphony Orchestra. He is the younger of my two sons and he’s just
completed his 25th year of playing in the Phoenix Symphony Orchestra. And about
the time he got that job was when Ben died which was so unfortunate. I remember
the first time going out there and thinking, “Oh if you only knew the
number of miles that Ben drove to take that boy to lessons.” We never
mentioned in this interview that probably my most unique quality is I don’t
drive and I’ve never driven and I’ve always lived in America and so music
lessons were always Ben driving Brian to music lessons. So what a tragedy that
he never lived long enough to hear him play in a symphony orchestra because
truly Brian got the job about a month after Ben died. And so I started going out
to visit Brian and over the years thought, “Why am I in this great place in
the winter, especially when I retired?” So I bought a little condo there
and I originally thought I would keep my house in Columbus that was fully paid
for. But it’s kind of unrealistic for one person to own two places unless they
have a staff and I don’t. So nine years ago I moved out completely and next
month it will be nine years. And my other son is two years older than Brian. His
name is Steven and he has a Ph.D. in Artificial Intelligence which is very
sophisticated computer science. He’s married to a Chinese woman born in the
Philippines who has a Master’s in Computer Science also. And coincidentally,
they moved to Phoenix about the same time so they have two daughters, one who is
about 25 who has a degree in Art from Gainesville, Florida. And then they have a
younger daughter who’s 16 and who lives on the computer and so I’m sure she
will do something mathematic or scientific given her parents. But it’s nice
that we’re a small family and we’re all in the same place so we tend to get
together at least once a month and do something together. So that’s been a
nice benefit although certainly I can never replace my 43 years of friends
living here in Columbus. I don’t say 50 because really 43 were all the years
of being married and having a family and having our children grow up here and
you know, as part of this interview I can tell you that I come back about once a
year and stay a couple of weeks and stay four or five days with my friends. And
they’re probably sick and tired of it already but they haven’t had the nerve
to tell me so, so I keep showing up.
Interviewer: Who are some of your friends in the Columbus social arrangement?
Gordon: Burt and Ruth Schildhouse are very long-time friends. And at this
point, even their eldest daughter who’s the same age as Steven who’s about
51, she and I really are friends independent of my relationship with her and I’m
friendly with a young woman named Cheryl Lubow who’s about that same age and
her parents live in Dayton but they’re friends of mine from college and she
and I have become good friends. Marvin and Anne Bonowitz are long-term friends
of mine. Doris Plaine who used to work at the Bexley Library for very many years
is a long-term friend of mine. Enid Weaver is a long-term friend. Dorothy
Rosenfeld and Mayer when he was alive. Anita and Harold Eisenstein, and I think
I’ll quit ’cause that’s enough.
Interviewer: Okay, we have to mention that one of your great loves is to
travel and you do quite a, you’ve been everyplace twice . . . .
Gordon: At least. And it’s really because, I mentioned my friendship with
Anita Eisenstein. She had a Romanian father and I had a Romanian mother and
Romania is full of gypsies. And so I attribute the travel need to really having
gypsy blood, you know. And so I always tell everybody, “Give me ten
dollars, I’m planning a trip,” you know? So I have a lot of curiosity
about how other people live. I’ve been to China four times, North India once,
South India, Mongolia, Indonesia. I’ve even been to Iran within the last five
or six years. And all over South America, Russia, Czechoslovakia, Poland and it’s
just always interesting to see how different people arrange their lives. And I
love to cook also so one of the things about traveling is I want to taste their
food and see if I can replicate them in some way. So I don’t know where that
came from but wherever it came from, I’m still doing it as long as I’m . . .
Interviewer: I’d like to add that you’re not just a social visitor and
scenery lover but you interact with people that you meet and know what their
crafts are and what their arts are and you visited art museums and that’s a
serious interest of yours.
Gordon: Yes that’s true and I always tell everybody that even though they
don’t know the language sometimes, as far as I’m concerned there are no
strangers. You can always find a way to communicate with people. You just work
at it a little bit. And one of the reasons I like art so much is that it just
seems that no matter how wretched people’s lives are they have an inner need
to create beauty and it’s intriguing that no matter how terrible life is, you
will find some beauty that people create. So it must be like eating, you must
just have to do it. And I like to . . . . observe the similarities in and
differences among the arts. Sometimes you can see what happened when there were
trade routes because very often if you ask yourself, well the men were the
traders. What did they bring home? Objects from the other places and women and
very often it’s the women who create all these arts and crafts so many times
you see similarities in places that are very distant from each other and that’s
how they got there. So I’m just always intrigued with that.
Interviewer: Are you involved with the League of Women Voters where you live
Gordon: I am and I’m probably the youngest person there and just remember,
I’m 78 years old. But unfortunately League is another organization like many
others that’s suffering but I continue to be involved with them and hope they’re
doing something to help make our world a little better. Another thing I have to
say is that certainly I can’t imagine many places I could have lived that I’d
still want to come back every year and see my friends and that’s really
because of the quality of Jews and their community in Columbus.
Interviewer: This is Marvin Bonowitz and I’ve been speaking with Sue Gordon
who has lived in Columbus and Cleveland and has participated in our community
activities and this interview was taped on October 27, 2006, at our home at 3150
Broadmoor Avenue in Columbus. On behalf of the Columbus Jewish Historical
Society, I want to thank you for contributing to the Oral History Project. This
interview will be kept in the archives of the Columbus Jewish Historical
Society. This concludes the interview.
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Transcribed by Honry Abramson
Proofread by Marvin Bonowitz
Corrected by Sue Gordon