The Columbus Jewish Historical Society

Transcript of Mollie Berliner Kahn’s Oral History, taken by Carol Shkolnik,
at Mollie’s apartment in the Heritage Tower, 3/1/99. Mollie died in August,
2001 at Wexner Heritage House.

Transcribed by her great-niece, Julie Komerofsky Remer (granddaughter of
Mollie’s youngest sister Helen Berliner Levine), July 31, 2008.

This is Carol Shkolnik, volunteer with the Columbus Jewish Historical Society’s
Oral History project. And I’m about to interview Mollie Kahn. This is March 1,
1999. We’re sitting in Mollie’s lovely apartment.

Mollie, I’d like to start out by asking you a little about your childhood. Tell me where you were born, for a start, and how did you get here?

I was born in Alexandrusk, Russia.

Do you know where in Russia that is?

No, not a bit. They didn’t talk too much, my dad didn’t talk too much about Russia, because they weren’t too happy there and they tried to forget some of the things that happened there. I came over to America in 1906. I was born in 1904, and I was 2 years old when I came over.

Do you know why your family came over?

Yes, because they wanted to get out of Russia. They weren’t treated very
well and then the family was here. My father had a brother here and I believe
my grandparents came after we did.

You knew your grandparents? That’s wonderful!

Oh, yeah! I don’t know just exactly when they died, but oh yeah.

For the record, could you say who your grandparents were?

Mr. and Mrs. Morris Luper.

What was your grandmother’s first name?

Hannah Luper. My grandfather’s name was Morris Luper.

Do you know what your grandmother’s maiden name was?

No, but my grandfather was adopted by somebody named Peskin but he took
the name of Luper.

Did he take that name because the other people in the family changed their
names, or did that happen in Russia?

No, that happened here. No, he was Luper in Russia.

So you came in 1906. Do you know what your father did in Russia?

He was a tailor, the same as he was after he moved here.

Did your parents ever talk about the ship ride?

Very little. The only thing my mother ever told me was that I tried to
get my head out in a porthole. (chuckles) That’s the only thing she ever
told me. They didn’t talk much about some of the things that took place in
Russia. They just sort of wanted to forget about it.

Do you have, or do you remember seeing any pictures from Russia?

Yeah, my father’s mother’s picture.

Wow! That’s wonderful! Your father’s mother’s picture?

No, my father AND mother.

That’s a beautiful picture. Is this their wedding picture?

I don’t think so.

You came at the age of 2. Were you the oldest?

I was the only one born in Russia. Everyone else was born, all my sisters
and my brother, were born here in America.

Can you tell me about the rest of your family? Give me their names in order?

Yeah, in order of the age? Well, I had a sister, Sarah Berliner, who
married Sig Weisskerz. And I have a sister, Tillie Shifman, who married a
man from Canton, Ohio. And then my brother Lou Berliner was born here, and
my sister Florence Berliner married Joe Mark of Cincinnati (I don’t think
this is correct – I think he was from Youngstown – JR) and then my
sister Helen married Mark – no – Marvin Levine. I always get him mixed up
with Mark Weinstein, Paula’s husband. I call him Marvin every once in a
while.

So, you were the oldest. What was that, like a family of 7 children?

Six children. Five girls and one boy.

>I know you have a sister who lives next door, right?

Yes, Tillie Shifman. We’re the only two that are living of my original
siblings.

What do you mean, your original siblings?

I mean, what was born to my father and mother. Then after my mother died
on May 16, 1918, then my father married three years afterward, and they had
two children.

What was your father’s second wife’s name?

Sarah Friedman. He married a Sarah Friedman. And she had two children,
and then she and my father had two children.

And what are the names of the other two?

The half brothers were Morris Berliner and Israel Berliner. And my
step-mother had two children, one was Sam Friedman, and one was Benny Friedman.

Ah, so your household might have been quite large.

It was very large!

What was the most children that were ever home at one time?

At most there were ten of us at home.

My goodness! Do you remember those days?

Oh, I surely do.

Would you like to talk about that? I would think living with a family with 9
children

It wasn’t the most, uh, let’s see how do I want to put it, I didn’t
think it was the most healthy position to be in. But we got along pretty
good, we got along pretty good.

And you say it wasn’t the most healthy position?

Well, because we had a small house to begin with. We moved from a bigger
house after my mother passed away, we moved back to where we lived
originally, on 443 East Mound Street. And that was a smaller house.

That was your original house. Where was the bigger house?

On Fulton Street, right across the street of the Fulton Street School.
That was bigger, and my dad didn’t want to live there after my mother
passed away so we moved back to the original house.

Do you know how soon after your mother died did he remarry?

Three years.

Do you remember anything about those three years?

Oh, yes, I certainly do. I was 14 when my mother died and I was the
oldest of six children. And of course my grandparents lived just not even a
block from us and my mother came from a family of 13. One passed away and
then there were twelve of them. There were ten girls and two boys. They were
my mother’s family, yeah, that was a big family. And of course, my aunts,
you know, and my grandparents helped take care of us when we were little.

My youngest sister, Helen, that’s Paula’s mother, lived with my
grandparents until my father got married.

So she was the youngest. How old would she have been when your mother passed
away?

She was three years old when my mother passed away.

What kind of effect on your family would you say was losing your mother?

Well, it was really traumatic but it was just one of those things. She
was sick for 5 years and while she was sick, we had a woman come to the
house to help take care of us with the help of some of my aunts and we got
along pretty well.

Now, refresh my memory, was it your mother’s or your father’s parents
that were here?

My mother’s.

Did your father’s parents ever come here?

My grandmother, my father’s mother, came here. And she stayed with us
for a while. She died here in America. But I didn’t know my father’s
father at all.

So, did your grandparents live to an advanced age, would you say?

Not really, not really. Let’s see. My grandmother died in I think, uh, I
can’t really remember what year she did die, what year. My grandfather died
a few years before, and then she died, I’m trying to think of, uh, I think,
I don’t know whether she died in 1936? I think she died in 1936, but I’m
really not too sure. But my granddad died before.

Did you have a lot of responsibility?

I did for a few years, yes. And I quit school, because I really couldn’t
concentrate on studying. I was 14. I went to high school and quit six months
before I graduated.

Did you really? Were you 14 when you were six months from graduation?

Oh, no. I must have been about 17 years old or something like that.

Ok, but you didn’t quit when your mother died.

Oh, no. I went on to school. I was living, I went to Mound Street School,
and then I went to Commerce High, is what they called it. That’s the old
Central High.

What did you do after you dropped out of high school?

I got some work. I learned how to cashier at a dime store, Woolworth’s
on Main Street in the Market Section. They taught me how to make change and
all that.

Before I go further, could you maybe talk about your family traditions and
religious traditions?

Well, of course my grandparents were very religious. So was my dad and my
mother, they were very religious. We were religious at home. We did go to
Hebrew school, a couple of us. But I wasn’t about to learn Hebrew, ’cause,
who am I gonna talk Hebrew to? ‘Cause, I wouldn’t understand what it was,
and so I just didn’t want to . The boys, they went to Hebrew school.

Do you recall if you stayed home from school on the holidays?

Oh, yes, always. On Rosh Hashanah, on the holidays, we had to stay home.
And another thing, they make so much fuss now, about Christmas and how the
Jewish people should not participate, well my grandfather, and my father
too, said if you want to be in a play, if the teacher wants you to be in a
play, you be in a play. And we always celebrated Chanukah too, at school.
And they had Chanukah plays, and they had Christmas plays. We even had a
Jewish boy for Santa Claus. You might have known the Soppels? Lou Soppel was
our Santa Claus. And he came from a very religious family, too. But they
said if the teacher wants you to be in the play, you be in the play.

Do you remember anything about going to shul, like where did you go to shul?

We went to shul at the Agudas Achim, it was on the corner of Washington
and Donaldson. We went there, and I’ve belonged there ever since. Now I go
to the Heritage House, since no one has to pick me up, since I don’t
drive. But I still belong to the Agudas Achim.

So you dropped out of high school, and went to work at Woolworth’s.

No, I went to work at Woolworth’s when I was about 15 or 16. When I quit
high school, I want to work at this Jerrits. It was right next door to
Morehouse Martins. And then I went to work at Morehouse.

So you worked while you were still in high school then.

Yes. Just on weekends, like on Saturdays.

Was this just spending money, or did you help out your family?

No, no, we had clothes to wear, we had food, and we had clothes. A lot of
the extras we couldn’t have. My father worked hard and he had a lot of
children, so I bought, I helped my sisters out a little bit. I’ll never
forget one sister, she’s never forgotten that, when she went to high
school, when she was in a play, not in a play, but a party for graduation,
she didn’t have anything real nice to wear, so I had bought a dress at
Roberts Clothing Store, and I let her wear it before I even wore it. Oh, she
just could never get over it!

What were some of the other memorable things about your childhood?

Well, we didn’t have a bad childhood at all, but of course, we were
poor, just like everybody else. We didn’t know any rich people. But we
were all poor, but we all associated with each other, had a good time
visiting back and forth.

What would you say you did for social life in high school?

Well, we had a Schonthal Center here in town, and we used to go there,
and a lot of the boys, this is after high school, from Ohio State used to
come to the Schonthal Home on Sunday nights and we met a lot of those boys.
But we had a lot of good times at the Schonthal Center.

Do you think that’s how some of your sisters met their husbands, the ones
from out of town? Just curious.

No, they, the one, the first one that got married was my sister Sarah,
she married Sig Weisskerz, who used to work at The Union, used to be credit
manager there, and my sister Tillie met somebody while she was on a vacation
and Helen met somebody in Cleveland when she went to visit somebody in
Cleveland. Her husband lived in a, I forget what they called it, where a lot
of people who didn’t have parents, I forget the name.

An orphanage?

An orphanage, yeah. That’s where Helen met her husband.

I met my husband through somebody, I went to a bar mitzvah at the Agudas
Achim, and this man was sitting there, my aunt and my uncle, Mr. and Mrs.
Luper were there, and the night after the bar mitzvah, my uncle called me
and says, there’s a man that was sitting at our table today, they knew
somebody in Dayton, that they think would like you. Would you mind if he
came? I says, no, he can come to visit, so that’s how I met my husband.

Talk about your husband and your courtship.

Well, there wasn’t that much of a courship because on his way home,
from when he came to Columbus to meet me, he had an accident, a very bad
accident. And I didn’t hear from him for quite a while, and my aunt says,
I wonder why he hasn’t called? Well, anyhow, my uncle called one night and
said I know why he hasn’t called, he was in the hospital. And I sent him a
card when he was in the hospital, and when he got better, he called me. And
I think he came in maybe for about a year, and then we got married in 1958
and he died in ’61.

What were you doing in 58 when you got married?

I was working at Morehouse Martins.

Did you live in Columbus then?

No, I lived in Dayton after I got married.

What did your husband do?

He had a furniture store.

And what was the name of that?

Kahn’s Furniture.

What was your husband’s name?

Harry Kahn.

Does he have any family?

Yes, he had a daughter in Dayton. She calls me once a week now. She lives
in Sheffield, Michigan.

Did he have any siblings? I’m just seeing if he’s part of any of the
other Kahn families.

No, everybody asks me that, are you related to the Kahns the jewelers.

I have some Kahns in my family.

You do?

They’re not close, they’re maybe second or third cousins. I was just
curious.So, how did you like Dayton?

I liked it very much. Nice little town. And he was well-known, he was on
the planning board in Dayton and he was very well-known there. I have a
picture of him.

When you and your husband got married, was his daughter grown?

Oh, yes. She was married and had two children. And then after her husband
died, she had a daughter.

Now, tell me about some of your working days at Morehouse Martin and Shoe
Corp. Those were well-known companies in Columbus, and you might have some
insights about them.

Well, Morehouse Martins I enjoyed very, very, very much. And then my
sister in Youngstown got sick in 1942, she was sick before 1942, but she got
very sick in 1942.

Which sister was this?

My sister, the second youngest, Florence Mark. She had six months to
live, she had Hodgkin’s Disease. So I went to take care of her in
Youngstown and when she died, my brother-in-law worked for the Shoe
Corporation, and he was related to the Schiffs. So Jack Schiff, when
Florence died, he said you come to work for us. So I worked there from 1942
until 1958 and when my husband died, my boss Ted Finkelstein, I don’t know
if you knew him. Ted was my immediate boss. Jack Schiff said that Ted wanted me to come back.
And so I came back. Ted called the day my husband died. He was going to come
to the funeral, but it snowed so bad. So he called me that night and said I
know this is not a good time to talk about it, but you’ve got a job with
the Shoe Corp, Jack Schiff wants you to work for him.

Now, what did you do for Morehouse Martins?

I was a salesperson at first, and then I got a job in the office.

Do you have some things you’d like to say about the company?

To me, it was a wonderful company. A lot of people didn’t think so,
because they didn’t hire very many Jewish people. When I worked there,
there were only two Jewish people. Then they began to hire Jewish people.
Good company.

Who owned the company?

Mr. and Mrs. Morehouse.

I remember going there as a child.

Very nice company. The man who had the charge of the company, when I had
to have a couple of operations, he even told me the name of the doctors and
they took care of, I got paid while I was in the hospital, even when I didn’t
work. And then of course I worked at ShoeCorp from 1961 until 1969 when I retired.

And what about Shoe Corp? What was it like?

Oh, it was wonderful. It was a wonderful company. I had a wonderful big
boss, of course, you know, the Schiffs weren’t bosses of ours at all, they
had people working underneath them. I had a wonderful boss, Clarence Conway
and then Ted Finkelstein was my immediate boss.

And what kind of work did you do there?

Comptometer.

And did you have that experience already?

Never. I learned it after I came to Schiff’s.

So, after your husband passed away, you moved to Columbus. Where did you
live?

When I first moved back, I lived with a Mrs. William Schwartz until I got
my apartment. Mr. William Schwartz bought the bakery from my grandfather,
Mr. Luper, and my cousin Sam Valcov, married Mr. Schwartz’s sister Helen
Valcov. She was just buried January the first. I don’t know if you knew
Helen Valcov. She was at the Heritage House for 7-1/2 years.

Another thing I didn’t ask you, where were you living at the time you got
married?

On 548-1/2 Drexel Avenue.

So you weren’t living with your family.

No.

When did you move out of your family’s home? Did you stay there as long as
your father was living?

Oh, yeah.

How old were you when your father passed away?

Let’s see, um, my father passed away in 1960. He died 5 weeks before my
husband did. My husband passed away 5 weeks later. So that was in ’60. So I
was 56.

So you weren’t living with your father when you got married?

No.

When did you move away from your father?

Oh, I think in, let’s see, about, uh, well, I don’t even remember when
they lived on Gilbert Street.

Was it very long after you dropped out of high school?

Oh, yes, quite a while.

See, that was my understanding of the pattern, usually daughters who weren’t
married stayed at home.

Yeah, I stayed at home until I got my own apartment.

I know you have a very large family. You’ve cited the Berliners and the
Luper side. Talk about some of the things the family did in Columbus and what
they were known for.

My grandfather Morris Luper had a bakery, and he also had a grocery
store. Luper’s Bakery. And his two sons worked for him, and a couple of
his daughters worked for him in the store, too.

What were his son’s names?

Louis Luper and Abe Luper.

These were your uncles?

Yes.

I didn’t realize there were so many Lupers.

Do you know a Fred Luper? Fred was my second cousin. His father was my
first cousin. His father was Sam. His son’s wife just had a baby this
morning. No, no, it was about 6 months ago. I was thinking about Kevin Kroos.
Do you know the Krooses? I used to babysit for Kevin and his sister, and his
wife just had a second baby. He called me about an hour or two ago. He
invited me to the bris next Monday.

So, they owned Schwartz Bakery. Did you ever work in the bakery or anything?

No.

OK, tell me about some other people in the family.

Well, Sam Luper was a cousin that I was very, very fond of. I liked all my
cousins, my aunts, I loved all my aunts, my uncles and my cousins. I still
keep in touch with them.

I’m sure there were some very big family weddings and bar mitzvahs?

Oh, yes. Bar mitzvahs and weddings and holidays and everything like that. The holidays were nice.

Where would you typically gather?

At my grandmother’s house. She used to have at her house for the seders,
30 people or something like that. Of course when the family gathered together,
the children alone were 10 and 12. But we saw each other a lot, and on
Saturday afternoons, we all gathered at my grandmother’s house. They had a
big back yard and a big front yard and so all the kids came over and had lunch
there and sometimes supper.

Wow. Did you go to shul in the morning and then go after shul?

No. We went to shul only on holidays really. Of course my grandfather
went to shul, my father went to shul every Saturday.

But none of the kids went?

No. Only for holidays we went. Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

So, what are some other things about the family that you would want to talk
about?

Well, we saw each other very, very, very often, because we lived close,
and in those days, people visited a lot. Now they don’t because they don’t
live close together anymore. It was a lot better in those days when the
families got together when they lived close, you saw your aunts, you saw
your uncles. You’d go visiting on Saturday sometimes, we’d go to my
uncle’s sometimes on Saturday, they lived on Livingston Avenue. We lived
on Mound Street. But we had a lot of very good times.

Are there any specific very momentous events in the family that you would
want to talk about?

Well, of course in those days, they didn’t have a real big wedding when
some of my aunts got married. They didn’t have big weddings. Now
everything is, all the weddings are big, the bar mitzvahs are big, the bar
mitzvahs are just like a wedding anymore. They have several hundred people
for a bar mitzvah, and since I grew up, like in 1994, we had eleven weddings
in our family in 1994. I went to nine of them.

Wow! That’s a lot of weddings!

And then they started having babies. I have a niece in in Youngstown who
has three sons, all three sons got married in one year, and two of them have
babies now and the one is going to have a baby. We have altogether in our
family now, I would say, about 130.

We had a reunion in 1994 and at my birthday party…

Is that it up there? The picture?

There were 85 people there. All but two were there.

And where did that take place?

That was at, our reunion was at the Concourse Hotel, but that dinner was
at the Jai Lai.

That’s really something. That’s really something.

And then of course, recently we’ve had a couple of weddings. The two
Luper boys were married, there were a lot of simchas in the family. There
were really a lot as we got older.

Drexel? Or was that earlier So you moved back to Columbus in 1961. Is that
when you lived on?

That was before. When I moved back to Columbus, I’m trying to think, is
when I lived at Ruth Schwartz’s house.

Oh, that’s right.

And then I got an apartment on Chesterfield Road. Mr. Rubin’s
apartment.

Is that where you stayed until you moved here?

Yeah, I lived there from 1961 to 1984. Then I moved here. (Heritage Tower)

So you’ve lived here…

15 years. I have my little statue, my little 15-year-old thing, there
over on the table. I had to move all those pictures over there so I could
keep the television over there.

So, tell me what your life has been like since you’ve retired.

I love it here. I don’t associate a whole lot, because, I’m not
anti-social, but I like to keep to myself a lot. And there’s so many
things to do here, if you want to do it, you can, if you don’t, you don’t
have to.

What are the kinds of things that go on here that you enjoy?

Well, I enjoy when they have luncheons, now March the 10^th we’re
having what they call Cabin Fever Day. They used to have them somewhere
else, but the last two years, they’ve had them right here in the building,
and those are real nice. And we go out to lunch once in a while with a
group, or we go out to dinner sometimes, and there’s always something
doing here.

Do you generally participate in those group things?

No, I used to at first, I used to go out for lunch, I used to go out to
dinner, but then I got sort of tired of it. So I go with relatives and
things. I have a cousin, Annette Harris, do you know her? Well, we go out
almost every Tuesday. In fact, she called me tonight and said she can’t go
out tomorrow. Well, I can’t go out tomorrow because I’m waiting for a TV
man, but she’s got the flu anyhow. But she’s been very wonderful to me.
She goes to the Center on Tuesdays and Thursdays so we usually go out to
lunch on Tuesdays, and she’ll take me shopping, or whatever I have to do.

Does she take you grocery shopping?

No, I order. I don’t go in the van anymore, because it’s hard for me
to walk. So I order from Super Duper.

I didn’t know they delivered!

Oh, yeah! It’s wonderful! You pay more there than you do at Krogers or
Big Bear, but it’s good for me because I don’t have to do the shopping
and they deliver it here and it’s very reasonable. He only charges $5 for
delivery.

Well, it is a family-owned business, which is nice.

I’ve always said, I like to pay a little bit more and shop at a mom and
pop store. He’s so friendly, and he’ll do almost anything for you. I
enjoy shopping from him. Like I said, it’s more expensive, but it’s
worth it to me.

I see that you’re, are you currently involved in Hadassah? Or was that in
the past?

Oh, no, that was in the past. I haven’t been to a Hadassah meeting for
years.

You said shortly after you moved back to Columbus, you lived on Chesterfield.
What kinds of things did you do there?

There? When I first came back, I got in a group of about 20 women, they
played mahj, they played canasta, up until the time that I quit driving. And
right now there’s only two of us that are left out of that whole group.

And when did you quit driving?

About seven years ago.

So you were living here? What was that like for you, giving up driving?

Oh, that was, it was almost as bad as when I lost members of the family.
It was, I missed it so much. I used to, a lot of times, I’d go out to get
in my car, and it wasn’t there. Really, it’s a horrible, horrible thing.
It really is, when you’re used to a car.

I don’t have too much of a problem now, because Annette’s husband
takes me places once in a while, and of course we go places here, too. Like
Wednesday we’re going to Wal-Mart. I’ve never been to Wal-Mart. I’m
just anxious to go, and I need a few things, and maybe I’ll just be able
to spend some money there.

Now, your sister lives next door to you. Do you eat dinner together?

Sometimes. She eats different times than I do, and we don’t like the
same foods. (chuckles) It’s funny, I don’t like breast of chicken and
she loves it. I like wings, I love wings to eat. But of course we see each
other every day. We both do volunteer work here. She does even more than I
do. She loves volunteer work. I work at the Nosherei, and then I’m a
deputy, I don’t know if you know what that is. We have cards on the door,
oh, that reminds me , I don’t know if he took his card in or not. All the
cards are in now except mine and the one across the hall.

So you need to check on that? Is that what you need to do?

I need to see if his card is in.

And if it’s not, we had an awful time a couple weeks ago, he didn’t
let anyone know he was out of town and his daughter came to check on him and
checked to see if his car was here, and his car wasn’t here, and we had an
awful time. He just forgot to let somebody know he was going to be gone for
a couple days.

How did they figure that out?

Security comes every morning sometime after 10 to check to see if
somebody’s card is not out, they go in and check. And at night they come
around 9:30, and they looked everywhere around the patio, he wasn’t there,
and the next morning his daughter called and said, well, we found my dad, he
was at his cousin’s house and he just forgot to tell me he was going.
(chuckles) And I tell you, it scares the life out of you, it really does. It
scares me.

What are some of the other things you’d like to talk about, that you want
people to know if you listened to this tape, or they read the transcription?
What are the kinds of things you’d want to talk about? The community, your
family, whatever?

Well, of course, we have a lot of things going on that keep us kind of
busy, and outside the family, I have several people that I keep in touch
with that I used to babysit for, like Kevin Kroos, I was invited to their
weddings, you know. The same thing with the Luper family, although I was
related to them, I was still their babysitter. And at the wedding about two
months ago, Doug Luper got married, and he announced at the wedding, he
called my name and said, “she put up with a lot from us.”
(chuckles) I thought it was kind of cute. I didn’t get to see him after
the wedding, because whoever picked us up wanted to go home early. So he
called 2 days later, and says, are you gonna be home today? My bride and I
are coming over to see you because we didn’t get to see you at the
wedding. So we all went out to dinner. I keep in touch with almost all of my
relatives.

It sounds like you have a very nice, close, wonderful family.

I think so!

Is there anything else you’d like to talk about?

Well, I don’t know if you know my niece Ellen Burnett, do you know her?
And her daughter, I have a picture of her daughter and son up there on the
TV. I have very nice relatives and I keep in touch with most of them.

Usually, when Paula is invited out, sometimes she’s invited out, she
always has me and my sister, so we get invited too. For Passover we’re
going to some friends of hers that she was invited to. It makes it nice. We
sort of just take care of each other. Paula, when my television wasn’t
working, I called her and wanted to know if she knew somebody to fix it, so
they brought a television over for me. I would go crazy if I don’t have
television, because I can’t read, I know HOW to read, but my eyes won’t
take it. We keep busy, we go out to lunch sometimes for birthdays and things
like that, and I love living here, I like it very, very much. I hope we can
continue for a couple of years, because there’s a little bit of talk about
HUD may not have this place very much longer. I don’t know. We got a
letter from Mr. David Small, very nice, wonderful man, that was his mother
in law who called me for the meeting on Thursday. Mary Molinaro. She just
began to do volunteer work here. She likes to travel a lot. I don’t blame
her – if you can go, you can go. I wish I had a car to go with. But I tell
you, I do miss that car so much.

Do you ever go on the bus trips that they have from the center?

No. The last trip I made, I won’t go by plane anymore at all. I lost an
aunt, my last aunt died a year ago on Martin Luther King’s day. My Aunt
Fannie Goldstein. I didn’t go to her funeral because I just won’t go by
plane, I’m scared to death. But the last time I went anyplace was by bus,
I went to my step-granddaughter’s wedding. I went by bus to Detroit. But
otherwise I just won’t go. I will go by car, but I will not go by plane
anymore.

Well, unless there’s something else you’d like to say, feel free,
otherwise, we’ll wrap it up.

Well, there’s just nothing much. I’ve had a good life. It wasn’t
anything to get excited about.

End of interview